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Comments on: hyperlinked society: a political note https://www.wordsend.org/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/ searching for the ineffable Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:49:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1 By: vika https://www.wordsend.org/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/comment-page-1/#comment-551 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:49:54 +0000 http://wordsend.org/archives/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/#comment-551 Your point about diversity is taken, gfly. However, I don’t believe that talking about a group-discrimination problem that one is experiencing in the moment is only permissible if you nod to all of the other groups discriminated against.

Yeah, there’s definitely a preponderance of white people here. People of diff. nations of origin are fairly well represented. Academics and industry people are fairly well represented; I haven’t gotten a sense of government representation.

The organizers are the Annenberg School for Communication. They have the resources to figure out that the ratio of women whose work would be relevant to this conference is much higher than they’ve represented here.

That said, I have (here, now, and elsewhere) praised the organizers for doing this thing in the first place, and for providing so much support so that audience members (myself included) could attend. I appreciate that.

I should also mention that the last sentence of my post was intended to be slightly tongue-in-cheek, which has been a common usage of it (that I’ve seen, anyway).

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By: gfly https://www.wordsend.org/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/comment-page-1/#comment-550 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:34:09 +0000 http://wordsend.org/archives/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/#comment-550 There are all sorts of diversity that are important in these discussions. Just couting the women and men, mentioning how unimpressed you are, and calling out the conference organizers could suggest a touch of missing white woman syndrome that overlooks racial minorities, people of different nations of origin, or even things like academic / industry / government representation.

It also isn’t obvious that the conference organizers deserve blame. Is the gender ratio of experts in this field (CEOs, technologists, etc.) 50/50, or are they drawing representative panel members from a group in which men are favored? Did they invite many women who declined to attend? There’s little point in being accusatory without answering these questions.

There are plenty of ways to actively work toward equality, and plenty of groups working to provide more opportunities for women in computing. Pointing out the skewed gender ratio is a very reasonable thing to do, since it calls attention to a problem. But just dropping off the blame where you did, without any argument as to why the organizers are at fault or what should have been done instead, doesn’t seem so productive.

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By: vika https://www.wordsend.org/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/comment-page-1/#comment-549 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:05:05 +0000 http://wordsend.org/archives/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/#comment-549 gfly – it’s a (perhaps overly glib) way of implicitly addressing the conference organizers. I’m unimpressed by the gender ratio, as regards both the panel participants and the audience members. (Although the audience has a slightly better ratio.)

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By: gfly https://www.wordsend.org/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/comment-page-1/#comment-548 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:02:30 +0000 http://wordsend.org/archives/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/#comment-548 What do you mean by “I’m talking to you, people”?

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By: vika https://www.wordsend.org/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/comment-page-1/#comment-547 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:51:00 +0000 http://wordsend.org/archives/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/#comment-547 Yep!

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By: museumfreak https://www.wordsend.org/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/comment-page-1/#comment-546 Fri, 09 Jun 2006 15:49:24 +0000 http://wordsend.org/archives/2006/06/09/hyperlinked-society-a-political-note/#comment-546 do you know about bloghercon, vika?

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